Mike Rowe and Chief Ronald Comacho; Small Changes, Big Impact: Shifting the Focus in Policing (Across the Pond Series)

PCC Local Time

Oct 27 2023 • 1 hr 14 mins

What does an ethnologist in policing from the UK have in common with a Police Chief from the U.S.? Quite a bit as it turns out. But the contrast also helps us get a fuller perspective on what is going on behind the scenes.

This is the first episode in our Across the Pond series in which we engage topics that are both global and local. Where do we locate the limits of our understanding and how can we reach across boundaries to gain insights?

This episode highlights the challenges and demands of policing today. We address legitimacy in policing, the focus on vulnerability vs criminality, recruitment and professional development, and more broadly the evolving nature of police work.

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Mike Rowe

Ron Camacho


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00:00:00 Focus on vulnerability in policing.

00:06:25 Importance of community engagement.

00:15:14 Understanding police use of stop and search.

00:20:20 Training is crucial for police.

00:25:18 Discretion influenced by various factors.

00:32:23 Importance of human interactions.

00:36:54 Invest in self-improvement and well-being.

00:42:39 Focus on vulnerability, not criminality.

00:51:23 Education is key for police.

00:54:49 Invest in education for officers.

01:02:18 Support officers in their mission.

01:07:37 Hope for the future of policing.

01:14:06 Importance of continuous learning.