Manish Jain, founder of Swaraj University and Ecoversities Alliance is this weeks guest. We spoke of alternatives to education, why education as we think of it today may be one of the root causes of the metacrisis rather than a solution for it and we spoke of reclaiming learning and knowledge. The treachery of language like 'first generation learners' and types of knowledge - spelling goat vs herding them and which is more knowledgeable for instance. We also speak of how come,outside of our culture, not everything has a price. This is a rich and deep conversation that will have you rethinking everything you knew about education.