For episode 153, anarchist writer, musician and podcaster Margaret Killjoy joins Elia J. Ayoub and Aydın Yıldız to talk about the very easy topic of apocalypse. What does that even mean? And how do we deal with that without falling into complete despair? Many of y'all know that one of the taglines of this pod is building the new in the shell of the old, right? Well, this is about that. Sort of. It's mainly about staying sane and healthy and as hopeful as possible long enough to even want to build the new in the shell of the old.

Margaret Killjoy, in our view, is one of the best minds on this difficult subject, and we think you'll agree.

Transcript:

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Show notes:

• Penumbra City, the new ttrpg by Strangers in a Tangled Wilderness
• Margaret's two pods: Live Like the World is Dying and Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff
• Margaret's essay for Slingshot Collective that's behind this episode's title as well as one of her podcasts
• Margaret's essay Don't Let Nazis Have Nice Things republished by Antidote Zine

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Episode Credits:

• Hosts: Elia J. Ayoub and Aydın Yıldız
• Producer: Elia J. Ayoub
• Guest: Margaret Killjoy
• Music: ⁠Rap and Revenge⁠
• Sound editor: Elia J. Ayoub
• Episode designer: Elia J. Ayoub