Eric "Zippy" Harris-Braun, founder of Holochain, had a conversation about Holochain, agent centric vs data centric blockchains, the power of Holochain as one of the components of the DNA for social organisms. We speak about money and why it is not a very wholesome storage of value. We speak of gramatic capacity and LLMs as grammar deducers, the importance of membranes as well as consent. We also speak about the weave as a new beginning for the decentralised web. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul