This episode of The BETWEEN Podcast features host, Matt Mattson, joyfully getting to talk with one of his favorite authors, Shannan Martin. The episode explores ordinary places, what it means to be a neighbor, how to survive a politically challenging year, the sacred gift of awkwardness and more.

Shannan Martin, author of Start With Hello, The Ministry of Ordinary Places , and Falling Free,is a speaker and writer who found her voice in the country and her story in the city. Shannan works as a cook at The Window, a local nonprofit dedicated to feeding its community. She, her jail-chaplain husband, and their kids live as grateful neighborsin Goshen, Indiana.

• Start with Hello by Shannan Martin
• Falling Free by Shannan Martin
• The Ministry of Ordinary Places by Shannan Martin
• Find Shannan on Instagram
• Subscribe to Shannan's Substack called "The Soup"